The inspiration for the recent surveying session at Johnstone High School came from a simple yet powerful question from a student curious about what it means to be a surveyor.
Crucial industry dialogue sparked by a student's curiosity...
This sparked an immediate response from CICES to create a real-world learning experience. The session was driven by the shared recognition among CICES members and teachers that young people often have limited understanding of surveying as a profession, despite its critical role in shaping our built environment.
Rooted in CICES’s 2024-25 presidential theme, ‘Make Space for Education’, this outreach reflected a commitment to engage directly with students, demystify the profession and address pathways into surveying careers.
The CICES Scotland committee recently visited Johnstone High School, with immediate past-president Alison Watson MBE leading the team, alongside Scottish regional committee members Valeriya Dobrolyubova, Scottish Water and Gary Kelly, Leica Geosystems, as well as CICES HQ staff Tehya Bruce Allen, senior communications coordinator and Rachel Hames, education outreach manager. Together, they brought surveying to life for 17 enthusiastic students through immersive, hands-on activities.
Despite typical Scottish rain, the students eagerly measured the site for their project, applying essential surveying principles like access, visibility, risk assessment, boundaries, utilities and local sensitivities - all crucial elements in successful engineering projects.
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Starting with limited knowledge of surveying, one student reflected, ‘Two hours ago, I didn’t know what a surveyor was. I thought they just dealt with statistics and stuff…’
This session proved transformative, revealing the exciting and varied opportunities within the surveying world.
Hearing from session leaders
Gary Kelly, Regional Manager at Leica Geosystems and session leader, reflected on the unique nature of this outreach:
Unlike sessions with industry entrants or trainees, this was with young people new to surveying, so we adapted the equipment and approach to suit them. From zero experience, they created a topographic survey base using GNSS in a few hours. Their teamwork and engagement were outstanding.
Gary highlighted the students’ fascination with the range of surveying roles and the digital technologies demonstrated, especially laser scanning. Gary stressed that early engagement like this is crucial to tackle the profession’s skills gap and improve awareness of surveying careers. He also shared a memorable moment when a student connected surveying technology to everyday life, explaining how GNSS mapping allows services like food delivery even to a remote field, illustrating surveying’s real-world impact.
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Your viewpoint as a session leader + how many related sessions you’ve been part of...
Gary: When I was asked to assist, I didn't really know what I was getting myself into, I've done lots of sessions before with surveying but it tends to be with people either already in the industry or training to enter the industry. This was a slightly different session from those I've done before as for this project we were working with a group of young people who really have very little knowledge or background in survey so we had to tailor the equipment we were going to use and processes to suit. That being said the students were really engaging and took ownership of their project from pre site surveys to selecting the site they aim to move forward with on the project.
Because we turned up on the day with minimal pre prep work and from meeting the students that morning, to go from never undertaking a survey to creating a base outline of a topographic survey using GNSS within a few hours was really positive. There's obviously a long way to go to develop into surveyors but it was encouraging to see how many of the group listened, discussed and guided each other through the morning.
What takeaways you had from the students, what did you find piqued their interest the most?
Gary: It was really interesting to find out what they actually thought a 'surveyor' was and once we started getting into the conversation how many 'types' of surveyors there are, even within geospatial surveying. They each had a different idea of what a surveyor involves and once we got going it was clear to see how everyone had a different skill set and levels of interest but it was great to see so many students engaging with the project.
Digital skills are always the main focus when speaking to the next generation of surveyors especially once you show laser scanners and scan data in the field as you can see a connection with the students and it works as a bit of a wow factor, however the big win for me was how well they communicated with each other as a group both in the capture process and decision making to make the project a success.
Words of wisdom for inspired readers...
Gary: With the main difficulty our profession faces being the skills gap and difficulties in recruiting and training future surveyors, this type of early intervention is going to be really important in attracting talent. There are so many students at this level that just aren't aware that this is a viable career path for them and we're missing a trick as an industry with limited early engagement. There is no silver bullet when it comes down to awareness and there are also factors which limit our ability to engage at this level. It has to be said that without programmes like the DEC and STEM projects or work experience it is difficult to interact with the next generation on why surveying can be such a rewarding and enjoyable career path. However my main takeaway (pun intended) from our morning surveying took the whole topic full circle when one of students demonstrated you no longer need to stop for lunch these days when you can order a McDonalds to anywhere, even a field and the rider can deliver.
How? Accurate mapping, a GNSS position and good communication.
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Industry expert view...
Valeriya Dobrolyubova, Scottish Water representative and regional committee member, praised the students’ quick grasp of core engineering concepts:
‘My first impression when we met them was that while they were unfamiliar of what surveying was, the students already had a good foundation of the engineering principles, especially since when they went out the investigate the 3 sites to present to us since we acted as "The Client", they quickly picked up on the potential risks, unchartered services, the local environment among many others which was impressive.
Another was the use of the surveying equipment since they quickly understood the purpose of these and how to utilise them in practice.'
What piqued student interest the most?
Valeriya: Definitely the variety of the surveying technology that is available to help gather data.
You could feel the excitement in the air when they went about the site even in the dreich weather with the equipment and carried out the measurements and scanning.
As at the time the students were unaware what a surveying profession involved and the type of equipment used in the industry, think the demonstrations and how the data gathering used to prepare a design for the Client's acceptance were particularly beneficial to their understanding.
This collaborative initiative, involving CICES members and HQ staff (Rachel Hames and Tehya Bruce Allen) and an educational establishment, demonstrated the institution’s dedication to inspiring the next generation of civil engineering surveyors.
By offering hands-on experiences combined with expert guidance and advanced technology, the event showcased how early, meaningful engagement can transform perceptions of surveying and open diverse, rewarding career pathways.
The aim is that this session will begin encouraging wider member participation in educational outreach across Scotland and beyond.
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